- 12/26/2007: Flood Plain Zoning
Ordinance approved by Sawyer co. Board.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
& Happy Holidays from RLPOA.
- 12/23/2007: 9:15AM Moderate snow
storm on Round Lake - up to 12"+ of snow expected.
- 12/23/2007: Snow Mobile trails
are marked on Big Round, Little Round & Richardson Bay-Trail
- 12/15/2007: Land & Water
Minutes and when will boards be put in dam.
402 paid RLPOA
members for 2007-A NEW RECORD!
- 12/08/2007: -18 degrees
Fahrenheit last night on south shore of Round Lake.
- 12/07/2007: As of 12/07/2007 paid
membership is 398 for 2007.
- 12/03/2007: as of 11/26/07 paid
membership is 394 for 2007 - a record.
- 11/27/2007: Little Round &
Richardson Bay covered with ice.
- 11/13/2007: Sawyer County Board
votes to apply to WDNR to modify/replace
1941 PSC Order, to repair/replace The Carlson Road Bridge, and to
lower and add a third culvert at Highway NN. Placid Diversion Canal
abandonment previously applied for. Sawyer Co. Board does not commit to any
of these projects -
applying for permits only.
- 11/12/2007: RLPOA now has 382
paid members and still counting (ties record)
- 11/09/2007: RLPOA now has 372
paid members and still counting (record is 381)
- 11/07/2007: Ice starting to form
around lake edges last couple of nights.
RLPOA Engineering data shows how to lower Round Lake flood levels by 1.0'+ and
appears to be more comprehensive than incomplete Sawyer County bought &
paid for SEH reports. Half of SEH flood levels were
retracted raising questions about all of their work. RLPOA
Little Round outflow information|
Datum and Discharge graphs|
$195,000 RLPOA Engineering Reports have withstood the test
of lawyers, insurance companies, multiple depositions, other Sawyer
County engineers and the legal system. Relatively cheap County bought SEH limited reports not tested and
almost half of the work (flood levels) was
retracted in May of 2007.
- 11/06/2007: Land & Water
Meeting Minutes Nov. 2, 2007. $175,000 set aside for potential
Little Round Lake Dam project.
- 11/05/2007: Sawyer County has
built all of the existing non compliant water control structures
affecting Round Lake and has
engineering reports that show how to comply with the
1941 PSC Order and correct the problems. Responsible County
corrective action would lower 100 year flood levels (Sawyer County has
Engineering Report showing how mcuh) thus protecting the
ecology/shoreline of the lake and preserving property values. WDNR
not meeting their obligations concerning
1941 PSC Order, flood levels and
navigable water obstructions causing public damage.
- 11/05/2007: LCO Tribe and US
government should be required to obtain easements from Round/Little
Round & Osprey Lake Homeowners if they block removal of beaver dams upstream of Highway NN because
they are obstructing public navigable waterway and raising flood levels
upstream. US Department of Interior owns the land in trust for LCO
Tribe where the beaver dams are located upstream of Highway NN.
This blockage of removing beaver dams most likely not legal and is
inconsistent with public rights concerning navigable waters.
Latest SEH Engineering Report.
RLPOA WEBSITE OPINION:
reports conclusions may protect Round Lake system from low water
(depending on management-same as current dam) and will not significantly increase protection for Round Lake from high water. This
report also keeps artificially high flood levels on Round Lake adversely
affecting property values and is not compliant with authorized water
level range and outflow rates.
Sawyer Co Record
- 11/01/2007: 364 RLPOA Paid
members so far this year and counting-approaching record.
RLPOA (Al Reinemann)
interim dam boards (18" high) for existing Carlson Road Dam that satisfy
"inconsistent/illogical WDNR statements on minimum flow requirements.
- 10/19/2007: Growing
Water Level Defense Fund will allow RLPOA engineering
consultants to evaluate SEH work due on 11/01/2007.
- 10/12/2007: WDNR still has no
explanation for why they approved new flood levels on Round/Little
Round/Osprey Lakes based on non-permitted Highway NN culverts. It
is our opinion that this is a basic admission by WDNR non response that
our analysis of the WDNR/Dallam flood levels is correct.
They should not have been approved and they are being used to undermine
responsible Round Lake water level management options.
- 10/08/2007: In our opinion verbal
minimum flow misrepresentations by WDNR concerning Round Lake are harming
public rights, wetlands, fish, riparian rights, recreational
opportunities, property and are inconsistent with historic Round/Little
Round stream inflow/outflow
Wisconsin Waterway and Wetland Handbook.
- 10/08/2007: Milfoil outbreaks
reported in multiple spots in SW part of Little Round Lake and Hinton
Bay most likely exacerbated by low water conditions supported by DNR and
County-by not allowing any effective boards in dam over last two seasons.
- 10/08/2007: RLPOA Board agrees to
donate $1500.0 to LCO fish stocking program.
- 10/06/2007: 0.5" of rain over
last day make about 10 inch total since 9/19. More rain coming.
- 10/03/2007: Another 1-1.25" of
rain over last day but lake still below dam sill.
- 10/01/2007: 1"+ of rain over last
24 hours. Lake still a few inches below dam sill-1344 feet.
- 09/27/2007: Another 1"+ of rain
over last few days.
- 09/22/2007: Another 2+ inches of
rain early Friday but lake still several inches below Carlson Dam sill
at 1344 feet one foot below the normal elevation of 1345 feet.
WDNR Secretary visits Hayward/Cable and talks to Hal Helwig Sawyer
County Board Chairman about
- 09/20/2007: More SEH engineering
work approved by Sawyer County Board for $12,500 to be completed by
11/1/07. Will evaluate overall dam feasibility including dam hydraulics, elevation
possibilities, and NN culvert
modifications. SEH will try to design dam with higher sill and that
requires less monitoring-that will keep water in Round Lake longer. New tainted flood levels based on non permitted NN
culverts still being used to restrict management options. LCO adamant
about not removing beaver dams and allege that Osprey Lake would fall
2.5 feet if removed. We believe Osprey Lake would fall only about
- 09/19/2007: 4 INCHES+ OF RAIN
ON ROUND LAKE IN LAST 24 HOURS. Lake level still several inches
below sill of dam (1344 feet) which is an additional one foot below
authorized level of 1345 feet.
- 09/17/2007: DNR/Dallam arbitrary
inconsistencies over stream minimum flow requirements not constructive to Round Lake
management options. RLPOA believes legally DNR should only be
concerned with minimum flow on the natural northern Little Round Lake
Drainage channel (snowmobile trail). The drainage channel
downstream of the Carlson Dam is artificial and there is no apparent
stream history there before it was put in unlike the Placid Diversion
Channel. Why is the DNR
not concerned with minimum flow for the Placid Diversion Channel
or the Little Round Lake natural northern drainage channel? The
DNR seems to be using minimum flow in an inconsistent and illogical manner
to obstruct responsible management options.
Shirley Riedmann (Task Force Chairperson) Sawyer County Board Representative for
District 7 again fails to properly recognize Official Round Lake Property
Owners Association Board Representatives at The Round Lake Task Force
Meeting. Its the opinion of RLPOA
website Administrator that Ms. Riedmann has an acrimonious divisive
influence on the process creating a negative distrustful atmosphere. Both active and/or passive
management plans still seem to be options.
DNR & County seem to be using LCO Tribe, minimum flow and flood
levels as excuses not to do what is
right for responsible Round Lake Mangagement.
- 09/13/2007: Accurate DNR
explanations still needed for flood levels and how they can be based on
non permitted NN culverts, minimum flow assertions for artificial Carlson
Channel, Carlson Dam status (large or small), what dam abandonment
really means according to Wisconsin Law, LCO tribal rights on navigable
waters, and why the natural northern Little Round Lake drainage channel
can be blocked by driveway with undersized culvert etc. Why
doesn't the DNR require easements from Osprey Lake owners because NN
culverts are too high? Why hasn't the DNR made any attempt to
enforce the 1941 PSC Order. Lets see the plat maps that show
ownership of property by channel downstream of Carlson Dam. Lets
see the old stream history for the Placid Diversion Canal.
Task Force meeting today at
Sawyer County Courthouse 1PM.
- 08/24/2007: State Survey/USGS map
shows that Osprey Lake/(Squaw) was 2 feet lower then Round Lake in 1970.
Carlson Dam bridge
is most likely not safe. Some wood is rotting and it is more then 60 years
northwest "wing wall"
is being undermined by water. The
center beam is crooked.
RLPOA response to proposed Sawyer County
Ordinance. RLPOA believes that Round/Little Round/Osprey Lake
regional flood levels should be retracted by DNR until Round Lake
Management decided. Anything other then this would be an unfair
manipulation. The flood levels are based on non permitted NN
- 08/23/2007: Whitefish,
Grindstone, Little Grindstone, Lac Courte Oreilles, Little Lac Courte
Oreilles, and Billy Boy Flowage SEH 100 year regional flood levels
retracted by DNR.
- 08/22/2007: DNR says that if new
Round/Little Round/Osprey Lake flood levels approved (based on non
permitted NN culverts) then a new wider
dam with higher flow rates at Carlson Road cannot be put in because
flood levels will be raised by more then .01 foot on Osprey Lake
requiring easements. This may be the scheme the CountyWDNR has concocted to
get out of responsible water level management on Round/Little Round
- 08/20/2007: If your
Round/Little Round property basement foundation is less then 5.5 to 6.0
feet above the current lake level today of approximately 1343.3 you may
in the new 100 year flood plain and buffer zone with onerous
County zoning restrictions and flood plain insurance requirements if your
property is sold. Email James Bassett Zoning Chairman with your
- 08/19/2007: Impending new
County flood levels on Round Lake will put dozens (100+/- with 2 foot
buffer) of properties in the 100 year flood plain with disastrous zoning
and financial consequences. These new County flood levels do not
follow the 1941 PSC Order and use the existing non maintained Sawyer
water control system. They are based on the non permitted NN
culverts as one of the main controlling factors. Barr Engineering Report shows how to
lower the 100 year flood level by one foot or more by following current
1941 PSC Order and improving existing water control structures.
- 08/16/2007: Public Hearing on
Flood Plain at Ramada Inn 1PM August 17.
- 08/04/2007: The reason the SEH
flood levels on Round, Liitle Round & Osprey Lakes are too high is
because Sawyer County has not done their job in building and maintaining
the pertinent water control structures. Sawyer County is using the
LCO Tribe and beaver dams as their excuse to abrogate their
If Carlson Dam sill and floor
are removed with County-Dallam/DNR abandonment (+correcting NN culverts) then Round Lake could
approximately drop up to another 2 feet from today's low level.
Wisconsin law apparently may require removal of dam sill and floor if
- 07/30/2007: Now is the time to
dredge the channel downstream of Carlson Dam because it is dry.
This will prevent the sediment from ultimately washing into Osprey Lake
and improve the function of the Carlson Dam. Dredging will not
facilitate boats going to Osprey Lake-how would they go thru or over the
Carlson Dam Sediment.
- 07/26/2007: RLPOA
Engineering report superior to SEH Engineering because it complies with
current law (1941 PSC Order). County led Round Lake Task Force
biased against Barr Engineering apparently because it shows Sawyer
County how to comply with current law.
Jim Hausman formally
property rights and title of his Barr Engineering reports, legal
documents, and other Round Lake research to RLPOA.
Round Lake Task Force
will meet on July 26, 2007 from 9AM to 12 Noon in the Assembly Room at
the Sawyer County Courthouse.
Flood levels recently approved
by DNR based on much lower flow rates then authorized in current law
(1941 PSC Order) are being used as the reason why a new wider weir/dam
cannot REPLACE the existing Carlson Dam-if beaver dams not removed
upstream of Highway NN. It is our opinion that this is a contrived
calculated artificial excuse to deceive the uninformed public and to
lead to the false conclusion justifying their passive management scheme/ABANDONMENT
for Round Lake.
- 07/11/2007: Dave Kafura of DNR
Sawyer Co. Record that
a 2006 estimate for ordinary high water mark (OWHM) on Round Lake is between
77.84 to 78.23 feet local datum or 1345.59 to 1345.98 feet.
- 07/10/2007: RLPOA paid membership
for 2007 is 265 which is ahead of the 2006 rate at this time|
2006 paid membership=382| 2005 paid membership=341
Correction: Round Lake
elevation at about 1343.7 or 75.95 feet local datum.
PUBLIC MEETING: DNR approves new SEH
flood levels for Round Lake watershed that are NOT compatible/consistent with the
1941 PSC order making flood level HIGHER without getting any
easements from Round Lake owners. SEH Round Lake Hydraulic analysis is
compliance with 1941 PSC order. The 1941 order authorizes
much higher flow rates in the channel downstream of the Carlson Dam then
are used in the above SEH reports. This is because Sawyer County
has not built or maintained water controls that comply with the 1941
- County has
already been successfully sued for not adhering to 1941 PSC Order.
SEH Bernard Lenz says in
1941 PSC order is not realistic because they did not have computers back
then and he alleges that the outlet channel from Little Round to Osprey
Lake may have never had the higher flow rates authorized by that order!
Opinion-this is not conclusively proven.
- SEH was
apparently not asked to develop or design a plan to comply with 1941 PSC
Order or anything close to it.
- RLPOA has
averaged over 300 paid members over last 5 years. We had almost
400 paid members last year (2006). We receive membership dues the
whole calendar year and do a final membership tally at the end of the
Round Lake homeowners want continued
"active" management of water
levels with reasonable protection from both high and low water extremes.
Round Lake owners prefer the lake level to be what it has been on the
average over the last 25 years which is probably above the 1941 PSC
Round Lake Property Owners Association expressed preliminary desire
to raise 1941 PSC Order by several inches above the currently
authorizied 1345 feet or 77.25 feet local datum. Opinion-would
keep new proposed higher level below Ordinary High Water Mark (OHWM).
This may allow the lake to be managed to 1345 feet and still have some
leeway when a heavy rain may transiently raise the lake level.
Osprey Lake level historically several feet below what it is now
as speculated by Dave Kafura of the DNR based on large submerged white
pine stumps in the Little Round outlet channel.
was not asked to develop or design a plan to comply with 1941 order or
anything close to it.
It is our opinion that County &
some in DNR seem to believe leaky beaver dams
will be adequate to control Round & Little Round Lakes.
our opinion that management
problems on Round Lake system appear to have started 12 years ago.
Dale Olson (County Conservationist) states that he has put boards in
Carlson Dam only a few (about three times) over the last about 12 years.
It is our opinion that this is why we have been having many more late
summer/fall extreme low water periods thus eliminating Round Lake
storage capacity and ability to comply with minimum flow requirements
to our downstream neighbors on a sustained basis.
It appears that DNR, SEH and County do not want to clearly tell the
public (or don't know/or have not studied this situation) what will happen to Round Lake if 1941 order is
vacated and Carlson Dam is abandoned. When a dam is abandoned
reportedly a "scouring study" is important and this has not been done.
It is reported that
Engineering has a plan to competently manage Round & Little Round Lakes.
07/08/07: Hausman will reportedly release
copyright on $250,000 Barr Engineering Study to RLPOA only to protect &
preserve Round Lake.
It is our opinion that SEH & County
appear to have nothing but excuses and that
Frank Dallam (DNR Water Regualtions & Zoning Engineer) will approve
anything that leads to "passive" management system on
Round/Little Round Lakes.
It is our opinion that Sawyer County verbal claims to
impartiality is contradicted by actions by applying for Placid
Diversion Canal abandonment and by documented attempts to modify the
RLPOA Partner Statement. SEH Engineering work done not
consistent with 1941 order also indicates opposite intent.
is our opinion that County may have not spent the $98,000 on SEH
Engineering wisely-opinion-no clear mission, inconclusive and non
compliant with existing law or 1941 PSC order.
people commented on lost property tax revenue from Round Lake if active management is
officially stopped on Round Lake. It was made clear that if some
homeowners tax bills go down others would have to go up-even those not
living on Round Lake.
- Kafura of
DNR reaffirms DNR opinion that State of WI has control of all navigable
waters and that they can remove obstructing beaver dams after giving
proper notice and without trespassing on land.
- 07/03/2007: SEH asked if new
proposed flood elevations & hydraulic analysis for Round & Osprey Lakes
are consistent with apparent higher flow rate legally authorized in the
1941 PSC order for the outlet channel downstream of the existing
- 07/03/2007: SEH proposed 100 year
flood levels for Round & Osprey Lakes may not comply with
higher flow rates authorized in the
1941 PSC order for the outlet channel downstream of the existing
dam. This possibly may make most of the engineering arguments
against a new dam now
being made inconsistent with current law (1941 order).
- 07/03/2007: SEH Bernard Lenz has
been asked to explain the apparent inconsistency or miscommunication
between his public verbal presentation and his written March 2007
Letter to SEH Lenz.
- 07/03/2007: Historic high levels
on Round Lake in low 80's(local datum) or about 1350 feet(about 6 feet
higher then now) alledegedly due to Sawyer County blocking Highway B
without culverts many decades ago.
Lost 8' by 8'
treated wood raft with 4 blue barrels & maroon carpet. Call
715-305-0084 or 715-207-2055. Lost &
- 06/30/2007: SEH says that if
Carlson Dam is abandoned that Round Lake will have lower lows and more
frequent lows like we have now. SEH says that at Lake elevation
(high normal) with boards in existing dam at that level the Beaver Dams upstream of NN are not
the controlling factor. SEH says the Beaver Dams are not reliable
and leak. DNR says State of WI controls navigable waters such as
Osprey Creek not LCO.
- 06/27/2007: Barr Engineering
according to Mr. Hausman says that a 40 foot wide channel 4' deep
downstream of "Carlson Dam" would
be needed to keep Round Lake from rising above
- 06/27/2007: Round Lake Water
Level at Carlson Dam 76.16 or 1343.91 feet.
- 06/26/2007: Round Lake Boathouse
photo2 showing low water.
Beaver Dams upstream of
Higway NN do not significantly impact the current or proposed new
Carlson Road Dams at levels above 1345 feet which is the
upper range of the
1941 PSC Order. Some at
Sawyer County appear to believe that
these beaver dams mean a new dam should not be built. This is
misinformation and not supported by
SEH Study see page 7 Table 2.
More detailed technical response to apparent
misinformation/misunderstanding. These beaver dams help Round & Osprey Lakes
during drought/low water times.
$100,000 SEH Engineering
Study costs was not all for Round Lake! A large part of
this money was spent on FEMA obligated
"Billy Boy Dam Failure and Regional Flood
Determination of Upstream Lakes" including Round, Little
Round, Osprey, Whitefish, Grindstone,
Little Grindstone, LCO, Little LCO, Billy Boy, Sand, and Upper Holly
Lakes + Osprey Creek.
Minimum flow water release
could be prolonged/increased with boards in Carlson Dam so
that if enough rain fell it could be temporarily saved and released in a
controlled slower matter from Round Lake. Sawyer County by taking
out all boards from Carlson Dam is wrong and in fact doing just the
opposite of what they claim. Rain Water will quickly be gone
without boards in dam thus hurting long term sustained minimum water flow from Round
lawsuit payment from County was paid in part by insurance.
- 06/06/2007: Milfoil Environmental
letter. PDF 341 KB
Public Water Level Informational
Meetings 6/20/07 at Hayward High School and 7/6/07 at LCO Casino Room A
both at 6PM.
- 06/06/2007: The County has sent a
preliminary application to DNR a few weeks ago to abandon The Placid
Sawyer County acts to lower Round Lake
level-takes out all boards from Carlson Dam today and appears to be
1941 PSC Order.
This action will damage long-term sustained minimum flow from Round
- 05/24/2007: 1.5" of rain 5/23 &
- 05/24/2007: Al Reinemann
letter to Sawyer County Record. PDF
- 05/17/2007: SEH Engineering
presentation to Sawyer County Board favorable for new weir or low water
dam in addition to other options.
- 05/17/2007: County Attorney Tom
Duffy on behalf of County Board Suprervisor Fred Zietlow has advised RLPOA
that elected official Zietlow is not ready to take any position on Round
Lake Water Level Issue until all the information is received and
reviewed. It is still the opinion of RLPOA
that Board Member Zietlow is not in favor of the RLPOA Water Level
position or "active management" particularly after observing
him at 3/22/07 Round Lake Management Meeting.
Meeting minutes Land & Water Conservation Committee Meeting May 7,
- 05/08/2007: Land & Water
Conservation Committee Meeting on May 7 did not have the SEH Engineer or
their dam expert present as promised. LCO also not present and
nothing formal concerning the issue has been received from them.
County seems to be leaning toward Carlson Dam abandonment and vacating
the 1941 management order-"Piecemeal" Abandonment gaining favor.
Sawyer Co. Record Article PDF 266 KB
Response to County
Minutes of Round Lake Management Meeting April 19, 2007.
- 04/19/2007: Ice out today on Big
- 04/19/2007: Frank Dallam of the
Spooner DNR Office indicates his support for the so called passive
management plan| DNR & County oppose
putting additional boards into Carlson Dam & the one board present will continue to be
several inches below the
1941 PSC order| May 17, 2007
The Land & Water Conservation Committee will present options to the
Sawyer County Board| Still awaiting water level position from the LCO| Water Level public meeting scheduled tentatively for July
Management Meeting 9AM 4/19/07 at DNR Office in Hayward.
- 04/17/2007: Sawyer County Board
unanimously approved up to $2500 (for time & materials) so SEH
Engineering could attend the 4/19/07 Round Lake Work Group, May 7 Land &
Water Conservation Committee, and May County Board meetings.
- 04/11/2007: Sawyer County Land &
Water Conservation Committee
meeting minutes 4/5/07 - address Round Lake water level, LCO
Engineering, Lake Placid Dam Abandonment etc.
PDF 22 KB
- 04/03/2007: The
single board in the Carlson Dam now appears to be touching the sill.
With that one board the dam elevation is still about 10 or 11 inches
1941 PSC order.
- 04/03/2007: Wisconsin Association
of Lakes annual
meeting April 26-28, 2007.
- 03/31/2007: The guage at County B
reads 4.55 today.
Fred Zietlow is Sawyer County Board of Director Representative for District 5
which includes the south & SW part of Round Lake, Little Round Lake and
most of Osprey Lake. Mr. Zietlow is on the Land & Water
Conservation Committee which is studying Round Lake. He is NOT in favor of the
Level Position or this organization. His phone# is
715-634-3919 and his mailing address is: PO Box 13324; Hayward, WI
54843. Please let Mr. Zietlow know any concerns or questions.
Summary of phone conversation with Mr. Zietlow and anaylsis.
- 03/28/2007: The board in the
Carlson Dam does not go to the bottom of the sill and is wedged up a few
inches by a small piece of wood.
SEH Hydraulic Controls Evaluation March 2007.
Larger dam (about
20-30') or "weir recommended to replace the existing Carlson Road Little
Round Lake Dam.
- 03/23/2007: County agrees not to
put altered or incomplete RLPOA Partner Statement into Round Lake Chain
Management Plan Document. RLPOA is going to rewrite their Partner
Statement based on new
SEH Engineering Report. The so called passive management plan
may be losing favor.
- 03/21/2007: A single board has
reportedly been placed into the Carlson Road Little Round Lake Dam-the
first time a board has been placed into the dam in years.
- 03/17/2007: Next Round Lake
Management Meeting on 3/22/2007 at Hayward DNR office at 9AM.
- 03/03/2007: Biggest storm of
season brings well over a foot of snow to Round Lake with large drifts
from high winds. Hayward schools closed Thursday and Friday March
1st and 2nd.
- 02/24/2007: Sawyer County Board
on 2/15/07 votes to apply to DNR to begin the process of abandoning the
dam and diversion channel between Lake Placid and Round Lake.
- 02/04/2007: -28 degrees
Fahrenheit on Round Lake.
- 02/03/2007: -21 degrees
Fahrenheit on Round Lake.
- 01/25/2007: Next Round Lake
Management Meeting on 3/22/07 or 3/29/07 at DNR Office at 9 AM.
- 01/22/2007: New RLPOA website
- 01/20/2007: John Otterlei
(Treasurer) of Edina, MN and Tom Kintzinger (Vice President/Secretary)
of Hayward, WI have been elected by the RLPOA Board to replace Bill
Whitlock and Dave Andersen resigning Board Members. Thank you Bill
& Dave for your many years of service to RLPOA and good luck for your
- 01/19/2007: Snowmobile trails
marked on Big Round Lake.
Preliminary Round Lake Management Plan (subject to change) to be presented on 1/25/07
recommends passive water level management and changing the Little Round
Lake Dam order to reflect this management-see page 38 or 44
- 01/16/2007: -18 degrees
Fahrenheit on Round Lake.
- 01/13/2007: Little Round Lake
snowmobile trails marked in last couple of days.
- 01/07/2007: Round Lake still not
marked safe for snowmobiles.
3.5 inches of snow bring in the New Year on Round Lake.